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06-07-2008, 10:56 AM
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4yr.-old Keilani Sun holds a nice trout she caught while trolling with leadcore.


<TABLE cellSpacing=5 cellPadding=5><TBODY><TR><TD>Trolling for trout has been a proven effective method of fishing for years now, probably since the introduction of the first outboard motors. It doesn't get much easier than letting your lure back about 100' behind the boat and creeping around at 2-4 mph. This method works fine when the surface temps of the lake are at 65 degrees or less. However, during the warmer months lake surface temps. can reach in excess of 75 degrees and the trout are forced to move deeper to find their comfort zone. This is when the leadcore troller can find superb action while others go blank!

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The Rod
You will need a fairly long, medium action rod suitable for 12-25 pound test. I use a 7' Penn Power Graph Medium-Heavy action rod. The long length and stiff backbone helps with the hook-set, which is necessary because the leadcore line will usually "sag or droop" when trolled and you'll need a long swing to make up for the slack line.
The Reel
You'll need a large level-wind reel capable of holding at least 300 yds. of #20 test. The level-wind is necessary because it helps keep your line from bunching up - which can damage the braided line. The Penn 209 level-wind has been a popular choice for leadcore anglers throughout the years because of it's price and durability. This is what I use and it works fine for me, but there are some newer level winds on the market with higher gear ratios which could also aid in keeping the "slack" out of the line.
The Line Leadcore line ranges from #12 to #20 test and generally comes in 100 yard spools. It is a braided nylon line with a hollow inner core that is filled with soft lead. It's usually color-coded at 10 yards per color. The general rule of thumb is the lure will sink 5 feet for every color of leadcore let out. This will vary of course, depending on trolling speed, lb test of leadcore, length of leader and type of lure you are using.


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The Leader
I use #6 test Maxima fishing line, which is probably closer to #8 test when compared to other lines. I like it because it's very abrasion-resistant. You'll find when trolling leadcore (especially when first beginning) you will come into contact with the bottom a lot. Having a good abrasion-resistant line will sometimes make the difference between getting your lure back and not! I also believe Maxima's "Ultra-green" formula is one of the least visible line when underwater. Some people use flourocarbon and this is fine too. I'm not a big fan of the stuff but some people swear by it. Just make sure to use at least five feet of leader tied to a high quality precision ball-bearing swivel. The precision swivel will prevent "line-twist", a common problem when trolling some lures. Tie the other end of the swivel directly to the leadcore or "snubber" if you care to use one. A snubber is a sort of bungie cord that acts as a shock absorber. Since leadcore does not stretch like monofilament, a sudden run from a big fish can pull the hook out or snap the leader. I personally don't use one since I prefer the more direct contact with the fish for a better hook-set. I also have yet to hook a trout while trolling that will break my #6 Maxima, but I guess if I ever do, I may be sorry!
Lures
I could probably write an entire book on trolling lures for trout. I won't get into the hundreds of different types of trout lures and gizmos on the market but I do want to mention a key factor to remember when selecting a lure. Different lures will swim at different depths and this will affect how many "colors" of leadcore you need to let out to get to the desired depth. A deep diving crankbait will naturally swim deeper than a fluttering Needlefish spoon.
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Trolling Speed
How fast you should troll depends on what type of lure you are using. Most of the time you want to troll just fast enough to bring a good action to your lure. Test this by letting a few feet of line out and dragging your lure next to the boat. Crankbaits should have a nice "wiggle" to them, a spoon should "wobble" and a spinner should "spin".
Trolling Depth
As mentioned before, the general rule of thumb is the lure will sink 5 feet for every color of leadcore let out. This will vary of course, depending on trolling speed, lb test of leadcore, length of leader and type of lure you are using. The only way to get a good idea on how deep you are running is trial and error. A fish finder is extremely helpful in determining this. Watch your graph and hold your rod and pay attention to how many colors you put out. If you start to feel your lure bumping the bottom at 35 feet, you know that's how much line you will need to let out to get your lure at that depth. Of course, you must also figure out what depth the fish are holding at as well. Once again, this is where a fish finder becomes an extremely helpful tool.
Other Tips
One of the biggest problems I have run across while trolling with leadcore is keeping the line tight after hooking a fish. As mentioned before, leadcore line will usually "sag or droop" when trolled causing a lot of slack in the line. My slow-ratioed Penn 209 probably does not help either. I have found a way to compensate this though and that is by leaving the motor in gear while reeling the fish in. This of course cannot always be done, especially if you are by yourself or on a very small lake and headed to the bank. But if you can get away with it, it's a good method for keeping the line tight and the fish connected to it! Another tip for running deeper is to add a 3/8-1/2 ounce sliding egg sinker just above the swivel. You'll have to re-calculate your "depth vs. colors of line" theory but it will definately get your lure down deeper without having to let so much line out. <SMALL>References: fishguppie, Muskyman, troll miester, greg</SMALL>
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SierraPeaks
04-28-2010, 06:30 AM
Just another FYI...if your fishfinder indicates fish at 20 feet, for instance, it's best to troll your lure (or bait) just above the 20' mark. Also, if trolling a dodger, you must remember that your dodger will also take your lure down in addition to your leadcore (how far depends on the length of your leader) If I'm running 20 feet of leader with a dodger and the fish are at 20', then I will troll 3 colors. This puts my lure roughly around 18' -19' deep.

FadedOne
11-05-2011, 10:23 PM
Question: When trolling for trout with lead core is there a way to get the line to go out by iteself? I have 12# leadcore and mainly use a 1/4 oz. lure. The lure is not heavy enough to pull the lead core line off my Penn reel so I have to strip it out by hand. I was hoping someone had a neat trick that I can use so that I don't have to hand peel 3-4 colors every time I let the line out.

Thanks!

bassmeister
11-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Check your cast control and make sure its no to tight. Line should be able to pull it self off after just a couple of feet in the water while trolling.

TrouTracker
11-06-2011, 10:27 PM
To FO- There are a few trolling tricks that you can use to make leadcore trolling actually fun. When you are first starting to let your leader line out, it's almost impossible to have your leadcore peel off automatically. But, once your first color is in the water, you should have no problem. I use 15lb leadcore and have done this a million times. Make sure your reel is letting line out freely. As your first color is completely in the water, point your rod directly in the direction where your line is making contact with the water. Also, speed your boat up just a bit faster than your normal trolling speed. You'll find that the leadcore will start peeling off nicely. After your leadcore is at your desired depth, you can slow the boat down to your normal speed. It may take you a few tries, but you'll get the hang of it. Good luck.

FadedOne
11-07-2011, 07:47 PM
To FO- There are a few trolling tricks that you can use to make leadcore trolling actually fun. When you are first starting to let your leader line out, it's almost impossible to have your leadcore peel off automatically. But, once your first color is in the water, you should have no problem. I use 15lb leadcore and have done this a million times. Make sure your reel is letting line out freely. As your first color is completely in the water, point your rod directly in the direction where your line is making contact with the water. Also, speed your boat up just a bit faster than your normal trolling speed. You'll find that the leadcore will start peeling off nicely. After your leadcore is at your desired depth, you can slow the boat down to your normal speed. It may take you a few tries, but you'll get the hang of it. Good luck.

I will give this a try. Peeling 3-4 colors by hand is pretty tedious so there has to be a better way :LOL:

DrePSP
11-08-2011, 04:57 PM
I just started fishing with lead core earlier this year. I had the same problem as fadedone. I think my lead core is 17lb. I Use 20 ft of 15 lb leader and smallest barrel swivel I can find so when i reel it in it goes through the eyelets all the way to the reel. I can attach my 6 lb line from that to my lure or what ever I feel like doing. I ended up buying some flashers http://www.luhrjensen.com/products/lake-trolls/school-o-minnows-lake-troll to help me pull the line off and to attract fish.
The 5 foot depth per color is at 2mph. foot +/- for .5mph +/- . you also have to count the colors in the water. not from your reel.

smokehound
11-08-2011, 09:39 PM
Just another FYI...if your fishfinder indicates fish at 20 feet, for instance, it's best to troll your lure (or bait) just above the 20' mark. Also, if trolling a dodger, you must remember that your dodger will also take your lure down in addition to your leadcore (how far depends on the length of your leader) If I'm running 20 feet of leader with a dodger and the fish are at 20', then I will troll 3 colors. This puts my lure roughly around 18' -19' deep.Very good, I was about to say the same thing. Dont wanna snag all the fish and scare them away!

SierraPeaks
11-09-2011, 07:44 PM
To FO- There are a few trolling tricks that you can use to make leadcore trolling actually fun. When you are first starting to let your leader line out, it's almost impossible to have your leadcore peel off automatically. But, once your first color is in the water, you should have no problem. I use 15lb leadcore and have done this a million times. Make sure your reel is letting line out freely. As your first color is completely in the water, point your rod directly in the direction where your line is making contact with the water. Also, speed your boat up just a bit faster than your normal trolling speed. You'll find that the leadcore will start peeling off nicely. After your leadcore is at your desired depth, you can slow the boat down to your normal speed. It may take you a few tries, but you'll get the hang of it. Good luck.


I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had to tell people to point their rod straight back when letting line out.

sandtrout
04-01-2012, 08:48 AM
Another thing...I use a "willis knot". You can find it on google. Others I've seen (and they take a 4" or more, section of lead out of the line) use an albright knot and some tie onto a swivel.

SierraPeaks
04-02-2012, 09:14 AM
Another thing...I use a "willis knot". You can find it on google. Others I've seen (and they take a 4" or more, section of lead out of the line) use an albright knot and some tie onto a swivel.


I take about a foot to a foot and a half of lead out of my line. That way if my mono breaks off and I need to re-tie line...I don't have to waste time dinkin' around with that.

TroutOnly
04-03-2012, 09:02 AM
WHAT'S LEADCORE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,,,,,, ,,

Kingfisher2
01-26-2013, 08:52 AM
I tried fishing with lead core line last weekend and Cachuma and had nothing but problems. It kept getting kinked as I would reel it in which in turn caused a lot of problems when I was trying to let it out. I had to forcefully pull the line off because the line was all kinked on the reel. Wow! Any tips on how to fix this issue and avoid it the next time? Also, what are your thoughts on putting braid onto the level wind with a fluro leader? I have a Shimano Cardiff 400A reel. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

casting call
01-26-2013, 09:22 AM
What are you trolling with? Is the lead core getting twisted? Is that even possible?

Kingfisher2
01-26-2013, 10:12 AM
I was using a Rapala Deep tail dancer. The line got all kinds of kinks etc. in it.

casting call
01-26-2013, 10:25 AM
Ive used TailDancers on straight mono with no problems before. I would assume with your case, either of two things happened: you spooled the lead core onto your reel with the lead core being twisted already, in which case you shouldve seen the kinks as you spooled it. Or, your taildancer caught the bottom or weeds and got twisted.
When i use leadcore, i tie on a small swivel in front of my leader.

Kingfisher2
01-26-2013, 11:00 AM
You know what Bro? I know it wasn't the way the line was spooled as a local tackle shop spooled it and it was all nice and pretty when I had it done. However, we did hit the bottom a couple times AND at first I wasn't using a swivel. That probably is where my problem lies. Maybe I should re spool and attach a swivel. Maybe even try harder to stay off the bottom as well. Thanks a bunch for the tip. I've recently retired and have been hooked on fishing and all the learning that goes with it. If you don't mind, can you tell me if you attach the swivel to the leadcore then to mono leader to that? or do you tie the leader to the lead core then swivel then more leader? not sure if it even would make a difference but I know most of you guys know more than I do when it comes to this stuff. Thanks again!

casting call
01-26-2013, 11:12 AM
I dont use leadcore much because I it takes away from the fight, but when I do, I tie on a short piece of mono from the lead core to a swivel, then my leader to my lure. Ill use a 4' leader and like a poster mentioned earlier, a small swivel so it can go through the guides when you reel in your line.

How deep are you trolling with the taildancer? I got the dive to 20' or 25' (cant remember) taildancer and would rather use a banana weight than leadcore with that lure if i needed to go deeper.

Kingfisher2
01-26-2013, 11:29 AM
We were seeing fish at 40-50 feet on our fishfinder and were trying to get down that far. I'm with you as far as the leadcore taking away the fight. I just may put Braid on there. Cheaper, easier and I will be able to feel the fish and the fight better. Thank you so much for your time and all your advice. It's much appreciated.