Another topic on braided line

[Tail Chaser]

Just got a spool of 500yrds of 65# power pro for my Saltist 40/Calstar 700H 30/80lb
May run a 3ft 40# mono leader/swivel with that setup.
Rumer has it that a swivel kills lure action.?
Maybe that doesnt matter much on Bottom YoYo jigging?
Will be jigging with Tady 4/0, 45s, 15s, And plan on trying the new Shimano butterfly jigs also
So what do you think?
Straight Spectra?
Short leader/long leader?

My 30# setup Saltist 30/Calstar 700M 20/50 lb
Think im keeping the 30# mono. 50# power pro is tempting though
Throwing Tady 45s with that, and throwing the butterflys top water and mid water depts.
Will also bounce squid/plastic leadheads along the bottom with the 30# setup.
Do you think spectra would be a better choice then the mono for this type of fishing?

[SanDimasLMB]

What you want is a fluorocarbon leader. You have two options.


Option 1:

Take your braid and connect it directly to your leader using either a Midknot or a FG knot.


Option 2:

Take braid and make a Bimini Twist. Take the loop of the Bimini Twist and cut the loop so that you have two even in length pieces of line. Take said two pieces of line and double together and twist three to four times. Then take the twisted doubled line and make a light overhand knot at the end. Then take doubled line and tie an Albright with preferred length of leader.

[SanDimasLMB]

Also, the Shimano Butterfly Jigs were not meant to be cast out and simply retreived topwater. If you want a topwater jig that casts far, get a Tady A2. Works well as either a surface, mid-depth, or yo-yo jig. I recommend it in the Dorado/Yellow-Green color.

[ymin72]

What you want is a fluorocarbon leader.

For throwing irons!?!?!?!?!?!? You must be kidding.

[TunaChaser469]

Here's an excerpt from an awesome article. read the whole article here: http://www.georgepoveromo.com/topshotadvantage.htm

"In some cases, a braid/top-shot combination is sought for its limited stretch. For example, an increasing number of anglers who seek big fish in depths ranging from 80 to 300 feet are spooling their reels with mostly super-braid line, followed by a relatively short mono or fluorocarbon top shot ranging from 20 to 80 feet.

The limited stretch and greater sensitivity of the braid telegraphs bites and allows the angler to set the hook better in deep water than a pure-mono setup. Furthermore, the small diameter of the braid cuts through the water with far less resistance, enabling the bait or lure to reach bottom with less weight. Meanwhile, the short mono or fluorocarbon top shot is less visible to fish, and offers better chafe protection."

In regards to connecting braid to mono, from same article here is excerpt:

"Joining super braid to a mono top shot is often accomplished with double uni-knots or a cat’s paw. The latter is a more streamlined connection achieved by overlapping two Bimini loops (one in the braid and one in the mono) and passing the spool of mono through both loops four times. When pulled tight, it forms a compact connection. "

I use braid with about 40-80 yards of mono on all my tuna sticks and love it. Good luck and tight lines.

[SanDimasLMB]

What you want is a fluorocarbon leader.

For throwing irons!?!?!?!?!?!? You must be kidding.


For the Butterfly Jigs. The stiffer fluorocarbon gives the jig better action.

[ymin72]

For the Butterfly Jigs. The stiffer fluorocarbon gives the jig better action.

I doubt a short 3-6' of mono or FC leader has much if any differences.
To each their own.

[ymin72]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.

[ghetto dad]

Just got a spool of 500yrds of 65# power pro for my Saltist 40/Calstar 700H 30/80lb
May run a 3ft 40# mono leader/swivel with that setup.
Rumer has it that a swivel kills lure action.?
Maybe that doesnt matter much on Bottom YoYo jigging?
Will be jigging with Tady 4/0, 45s, 15s, And plan on trying the new Shimano butterfly jigs also
So what do you think?
Straight Spectra?
Short leader/long leader?

My 30# setup Saltist 30/Calstar 700M 20/50 lb
Think im keeping the 30# mono. 50# power pro is tempting though
Throwing Tady 45s with that, and throwing the butterflys top water and mid water depts.
Will also bounce squid/plastic leadheads along the bottom with the 30# setup.
Do you think spectra would be a better choice then the mono for this type of fishing?

First of all, if you are jigging for rockfish, use a rockfish lure, like a jax jig. You want to use a short mono leader, WITH a swivel. The swivel will keep youre fish from spinning off, and also give you a breakoff point. Tady 45's are surface jigs. DO NOT USE A SWIVEL WHEN SURFACE IRON FISHING, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR JIG ACTION. The butterfly jigs werent made to throw "top water", if im understanding you correctly. They were made to acutally "jig" them, and most of the bites come on the drop on those. For throwing surface iron, imo, you want a longer topshot of mono, at least as far as you can cast, plus about 50 feet. You want a little stretch, otherwise when youre fishing the iron, especially with a fast reel, the no-stretch + the speed of the reel might just rip through the fishes mouth. ON A PARTY BOAT, SURFACE TRIPS, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AT LEAST 100 YARDS OR MORE OF TOPSHOT OVER YOUR SPECTRA. IN A HOT BITE, YOU WILL SAW OFF ANYONE YOU COME IN CONTACT THAT HAS MONO, IVE SEEN A GUY SAW OFF A DOZEN PEOPLE ON AN ALBACORE BITE. people werent too happy.

GD

[ghetto dad]

Also, the Shimano Butterfly Jigs were not meant to be cast out and simply retreived topwater. If you want a topwater jig that casts far, get a Tady A2. Works well as either a surface, mid-depth, or yo-yo jig. I recommend it in the Dorado/Yellow-Green color.
i recommend for surface irons either a tady c or 45 in mint green, or a 544 in the same color. Dorado pattern is also good, but ive had my MOST luck with the mint green. Yo Yo jigs, as the A2, are made for yo-you fishing (dropping down deep, and winding in AS FAST YOU CAN), they do not swim very good for surface.

[one_leg]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.


Like this one you got Mike?


http://fishinghotpage.com/users/tmp3/maikeBN.jpg

O_L

[Oz]

:twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

[fuj]

For the Butterfly Jigs. The stiffer fluorocarbon gives the jig better action.

I doubt a short 3-6' of mono or FC leader has much if any differences.
To each their own.

Shimano is kinda weird on this. They recommend using some fluorocarbon between the braided line and the jig. And since they've introduced their own branded wind-on FC leaders, they of course recommend using those, which are 25 feet long. Their reason for this is to have some stretch so that the jig either won't rip out or break off...but you can't use regular ol' monofilament instead of the FC, no no no!! Too slow, too much stretch compared to (their) FC (wind-ons), they say. :roll:

When I fished for rockfish from a panga in Baja, I used Butterfly jigs with about 20 feet of Yo-Zuri Hybrid 50# tied to my Spectra with an Albright knot. We were in some pretty thick bull kelp, but the rigging held up fine, didn't lose any jigs.

[ghetto dad]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.


Like this one you got Mike?


http://fishinghotpage.com/users/tmp3/maikeBN.jpg

O_L
that was the beginning of the end of me and mike...i miss my homie... :(

[Tail Chaser]

Thanks for the imfo guys.
Guess I had a typo error on the topwater butterfly jig :oops:
Watched a offshore fishing TV program where they were testing shimano reels, and the butterfly jigs.
What they said were,The butterfly jig should be cast out, Let drop, with the option of twitching the rod tip as the jig sinks.(flutters down)
On the retrieve, They were nonstop twitching the rod tip as they were reeling the jig back in.(acts like a injured baitfish)
As soon as the jig is vertical under the boat. Reel in,Then cast out again.
So I will run the Getto Dad setup on the Saltist 40, 40# setup. 65#spectra, swivel,3' leader with 40# Mono
The Saltist 30, Will stay with all 30# mono. Till the saltist 30 gets spooled one day.Then go with the 50#spectra, 100 yrd 30# mono topshot thing. Usually keep the scrambled egg or Blue/wht Tady 45 on that rig
Once again, thanks for the great imfo.
I have not been out in 5 months, :secret: Way overdo on posting some fish porn

[fuj]

One of the problems with going to braided line/Spectra is that there is no "one size fits all" solution. Sometimes it's the right way, sometimes it isn't. But you never know; what was once considered a taboo way to fish may become well accepted. Spectra itself was in that category when folks first used it for big tuna fishing.


Thanks for the imfo guys.
Guess I had a typo error on the topwater butterfly jig :oops:
Watched a offshore fishing TV program where they were testing shimano reels, and the butterfly jigs.
What they said were,The butterfly jig should be cast out, Let drop, with the option of twitching the rod tip as the jig sinks.(flutters down)
On the retrieve, They were nonstop twitching the rod tip as they were reeling the jig back in.(acts like a injured baitfish)
As soon as the jig is vertical under the boat. Reel in,Then cast out again.

The Butterfly system was designed initially as a vertical jigging system. It's still a new way to fish, so most folks probably do the vertical thing with it. But casting and retrieving of a Butterfly jig may turn out to be another effective way to use it. Some guys on my 6-day last August did this and were successful in hooking and landing Yellowtail up to 40#.


So I will run the Getto Dad setup on the Saltist 40, 40# setup. 65#spectra, swivel,3' leader with 40# Mono
The Saltist 30, Will stay with all 30# mono. Till the saltist 30 gets spooled one day.Then go with the 50#spectra, 100 yrd 30# mono topshot thing.

Under most circumstances, I'd keep a fair amount of mono on top of the Spectra. The times I'd go short would be for bottom fishing, fishing in the kelp, long-soak live bait presentations with heavier line, non-combat fishing (i. e., where the potential for tangles is smaller than normal.), to name a few. Sometimes, though, you can't separate the two (combat kelp fishing, f'rinstance), so you'll have to take a chance one way or the other to find out which is best for you.

I don't agree that Spectra cuts mono. Moving line cuts standing line, regardless of whether it's Spectra or mono. People get "sawed off" because the sawer doesn't follow his fish and his moving line runs over other taut lines that aren't moving or moving as fast as his is. Sometimes this is unavoidable. That's fishing. But do your best to avoid it and there'll be a lot less distress about sawing off someone or getting sawed off by someone else.


Usually keep the scrambled egg or Blue/wht Tady 45 on that rig

I've always wondered why guys like mint green surface iron so much. I'd put myself in that group too, but I thought about it and concluded I like using mint or mint/white surface iron because it's easy to see. All good surface iron slingers know that no matter what color jig you're using, it has to swim right in order to get bit. With a mint green jig, I can see my retrieve much better and sooner than some other colors and know if I'm getting the jig to swim correctly.

[ghetto dad]

fuj, spectra WILL cut mono FASTER than mono on mono...ive seen it, many times...why do you think that they recommend special guides on rods for fishing the spectra...and yes, also, mono on mono will also burn fish off....you have one fish on straight up and down with mono, with pressure....you have a guy with another fish on coming up the side with a fish screaming...that spectra will SLICE the mono....that stuff cuts, that why alot of calico bass fisherman are using it to CUT through the kelp........

[ghetto dad]

and yes, you need to find a great swimming jig, i know how....BUT, color does make a difference most of the time on a proper swimming jig


GD

[JapanRon]

Hi ghetto dad,

Not lessening anyone else on their iron prowess but ... you (ghetto dad the 'Iron Master') said it ..DO NOT USE A SWIVEL WHEN SURFACE IRON FISHING, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR JIG ACTION ..... and how true, how true your words ring. I had just enough experience (intermediate) to notice this when I started putting fluorocarbon leaders/swivels on EVERYTHING.

Funny you should mention 544's I fished them for years and still have a bunch. Ordered the short versions in both the single-in-line hook and the treble-hook configuration. Put a swivel on those and you've got problems for sure in my limited experience. By the way, talking to the maker of the 544's ... they've changed the angle of the back ridge to increase the wag ... at slower retrieve speeds !

Even now ...... I always use a swivel on my fluro leaders fishing plastics and on certain baits' designs ... the twist is more noticable than on others ... fishing in the exact same manner !!

Await the Summer when you'll really shine on the iron fishing !!

tsurikichi

[fuj]

fuj, spectra WILL cut mono FASTER than mono on mono...

Please explain. What do you mean by "Spectra will cut mono faster than mono on mono..."? If you're claiming that moving Spectra will cut though mono more quickly than moving mono would, you might be correct.

My premise, however, is that moving mono can cut taut, standing Spectra. If you believe that Spectra always cuts mono in every situation, cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree.


why do you think that they recommend special guides on rods for fishing the spectra

What special guides are these? Or rather, what guides are available today that are not Spectra-safe? I'm curious because I haven't seen any guides that state "do not use with Spectra". If you have, I'm sure there are a lot of us here who would like to know.


...and yes, also, mono on mono will also burn fish off....you have one fish on straight up and down with mono, with pressure....you have a guy with another fish on coming up the side with a fish screaming...that spectra will SLICE the mono

When it happens the other way, let us know what the results are. But I guess you won't find out first hand since you won't be the one fishing with Spectra. 8)

[Bobbyk]

I don't see what everyone's obsession with fluro is the only time it is really needed is when fishing bait. Fishing it with plastics and jigs is just a waste of money in my opinion

[JapanRon]

Hi bobbyk,

Respect your opinion and experience. I, for one, have made belivers and converts of many, many a rail-buddy that has maybe 10 years of overall fishing experience on me !! Don't know about iron, and don't fish bait but, guys fishing the exact same plastic, same color, same weight, same methodology, right beside me on the boat ..... soon begrudgingly take their licks and all of a sudden (the next week) there they are using fluorocarbon. I've learned to be kind with the razzing , shut-up, and let them tell me it was THEIR idea all along. Stubborn old goats !!

Heck, I even converted this dye-in-the-wool fundementalist (30-year old PENN 500-40lb test line-10ft HD XXX stix-Tady 45) deadhead !!

To be fair, I'll often use 5 or 6 feet of fluoro, where as many will fish leaders that are much shorter. For a two or three foot leader ..... maybe the difference between the effectiveness is less pronounced.

JapanRon

[ghetto dad]

[quote=ghetto dad]fuj, spectra WILL cut mono FASTER than mono on mono...

Please explain. What do you mean by "Spectra will cut mono faster than mono on mono..."? If you're claiming that moving Spectra will cut though mono more quickly than moving mono would, you might be correct.

My premise, however, is that moving mono can cut taut, standing Spectra. If you believe that Spectra always cuts mono in every situation, cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree.


why do you think that they recommend special guides on rods for fishing the spectra

What special guides are these? Or rather, what guides are available today that are not Spectra-safe? I'm curious because I haven't seen any guides that state "do not use with Spectra". If you have, I'm sure there are a lot of us here who would like to know.


...and yes, also, mono on mono will also burn fish off....you have one fish on straight up and down with mono, with pressure....you have a guy with another fish on coming up the side with a fish screaming...that spectra will SLICE the mono

When it happens the other way, let us know what the results are. But I guess you won't find out first hand since you won't be the one fishing with Spectra. 8)[/quote:37ae4]

youre right, well agree to disagree.....

[one_leg]

that was the beginning of the end of me and mike...i miss my homie... :(

GD, I think you and YMIN72 are just on different wavelengths at the present time.
He is Yakkin' it up along the coast right now, fishing for some kelpstand calicos. 8)
Ain't that right, Mikey?

One_Leg

P.S. I prefer to use a 6' TO 7' FLOURO LEADER while fishing for the big tuna's, Yellowtails, Blacksmith's, and Pesky Macks. :wink:
I have never sawed off a single angler while using a 6' flouro leader. :roll:

And GD, and JapanRON are correct about the swivel while tossing the jigs.
Mint, Blue and white, and Scrambled Egg, are all favorites of mine!


One_Leg

[ghetto dad]

[quote="ghetto dad":cf054]that was the beginning of the end of me and mike...i miss my homie... :(

GD, I think you and YMIN72 are just on different wavelengths at the present time.
He is Yakkin' it up along the coast right now, fishing for some kelpstand calicos. 8)
Ain't that right, Mikey?

One_Leg

P.S. I prefer to use a 6' TO 7' FLOURO LEADER while fishing for the big tuna's, Yellowtails, Blacksmith's, and Pesky Macks. :wink:
I have never sawed off a single angler while using a 6' flouro leader. :roll:

And GD, and JapanRON are correct about the swivel while tossing the jigs.
Mint, Blue and white, and Scrambled Egg, are all favorites of mine!


One_Leg[/quote:cf054]

first of all alan, youve never caught a tuna or a yellowtail...and sand bass fishing does NOT apply to my point.....and you cant even cast a leadhead, let alone an iron

[one_leg]

first of all alan, youve never caught a tuna or a yellowtail...and sand bass fishing does NOT apply to my point.....and you cant even cast a leadhead, let alone an iron

I never said I caught one, all I said was I use them while fishing for them.....LOL

Casting contest next time out!!!!!

I gots to know!

One_Leg

[SanDimasLMB]

Also, the Shimano Butterfly Jigs were not meant to be cast out and simply retreived topwater. If you want a topwater jig that casts far, get a Tady A2. Works well as either a surface, mid-depth, or yo-yo jig. I recommend it in the Dorado/Yellow-Green color.
i recommend for surface irons either a tady c or 45 in mint green, or a 544 in the same color. Dorado pattern is also good, but ive had my MOST luck with the mint green. Yo Yo jigs, as the A2, are made for yo-you fishing (dropping down deep, and winding in AS FAST YOU CAN), they do not swim very good for surface.


The A2 actually is pretty good for surface, not my first choice but still good. Casts way farther than a regular surface iron. The A2 isn't too heavy at 4oz. compared to 8oz. yo-yo jigs so you can swim it in many parts of the water column, so its very versatile.

Like you mentioned though, the go-to surface iron is a Tady C definetly, if you're only going to fish surface/upper water column exclusively.

[Tail Chaser]

[quote="one_leg":56c69][quote="ghetto dad":56c69]that was the beginning of the end of me and mike...i miss my homie... :(

GD, I think you and YMIN72 are just on different wavelengths at the present time.
He is Yakkin' it up along the coast right now, fishing for some kelpstand calicos. 8)
Ain't that right, Mikey?

One_Leg

P.S. I prefer to use a 6' TO 7' FLOURO LEADER while fishing for the big tuna's, Yellowtails, Blacksmith's, and Pesky Macks. :wink:
I have never sawed off a single angler while using a 6' flouro leader. :roll:

And GD, and JapanRON are correct about the swivel while tossing the jigs.
Mint, Blue and white, and Scrambled Egg, are all favorites of mine!


One_Leg[/quote:56c69]

first of all alan, youve never caught a tuna or a yellowtail...and sand bass fishing does NOT apply to my point.....and you cant even cast a leadhead, let alone an iron[/quote:56c69]
OUCH!
Ya ever notice how tempers get shorter when we dont have big fishys swimming in our local waters.
Ive been reading more post all the time that anglers are saying there catch ratio has not improved after switching to flouro from mono.
Im looking forward to trying out my new spectra for bottom fishing.(Halibut/WSB/Ling) Bottom fshing with 40# mono was like having a 200 yrd rubber band hooked to my lure.(Couldnt feel nothing)

[Tail Chaser]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.


Like this one you got Mike?


http://fishinghotpage.com/users/tmp3/maikeBN.jpg

O_L
Hmmm..... Is that a FNN super top secret trick of how to keep your reel from getting spooled :lol:

[Tail Chaser]

One of the problems with going to braided line/Spectra is that there is no "one size fits all" solution. Sometimes it's the right way, sometimes it isn't. But you never know; what was once considered a taboo way to fish may become well accepted. Spectra itself was in that category when folks first used it for big tuna fishing.

[quote=Broken Rod]Thanks for the imfo guys.
Guess I had a typo error on the topwater butterfly jig :oops:
Watched a offshore fishing TV program where they were testing shimano reels, and the butterfly jigs.
What they said were,The butterfly jig should be cast out, Let drop, with the option of twitching the rod tip as the jig sinks.(flutters down)
On the retrieve, They were nonstop twitching the rod tip as they were reeling the jig back in.(acts like a injured baitfish)
As soon as the jig is vertical under the boat. Reel in,Then cast out again.

The Butterfly system was designed initially as a vertical jigging system. It's still a new way to fish, so most folks probably do the vertical thing with it. But casting and retrieving of a Butterfly jig may turn out to be another effective way to use it. Some guys on my 6-day last August did this and were successful in hooking and landing Yellowtail up to 40#.


So I will run the Getto Dad setup on the Saltist 40, 40# setup. 65#spectra, swivel,3' leader with 40# Mono
The Saltist 30, Will stay with all 30# mono. Till the saltist 30 gets spooled one day.Then go with the 50#spectra, 100 yrd 30# mono topshot thing.

Under most circumstances, I'd keep a fair amount of mono on top of the Spectra. The times I'd go short would be for bottom fishing, fishing in the kelp, long-soak live bait presentations with heavier line, non-combat fishing (i. e., where the potential for tangles is smaller than normal.), to name a few. Sometimes, though, you can't separate the two (combat kelp fishing, f'rinstance), so you'll have to take a chance one way or the other to find out which is best for you.

I don't agree that Spectra cuts mono. Moving line cuts standing line, regardless of whether it's Spectra or mono. People get "sawed off" because the sawer doesn't follow his fish and his moving line runs over other taut lines that aren't moving or moving as fast as his is. Sometimes this is unavoidable. That's fishing. But do your best to avoid it and there'll be a lot less distress about sawing off someone or getting sawed off by someone else.


Usually keep the scrambled egg or Blue/wht Tady 45 on that rig

I've always wondered why guys like mint green surface iron so much. I'd put myself in that group too, but I thought about it and concluded I like using mint or mint/white surface iron because it's easy to see. All good surface iron slingers know that no matter what color jig you're using, it has to swim right in order to get bit. With a mint green jig, I can see my retrieve much better and sooner than some other colors and know if I'm getting the jig to swim correctly.[/quote:1391f] Thanks fuj,
Ive pretty much done the vertical jig thing too.
From what ive read. Tuna and yellowtail are very boat shy.So working some jigs 50' or more from the boat may become very productive.

[SanDimasLMB]

fuj,

reguarding what type of guides are not safe to use with spectra, the recoil guides featured on many G-Loomis bass rods like the Senko and Jig & Worm series rods are not spectra safe. Spectra actually has "cut" grooves into the recoil guides on those G-Loomis models as well as other G-Loomis models that feature the reoil guides.

[fuj]

fuj,

reguarding what type of guides are not safe to use with spectra, the recoil guides featured on many G-Loomis bass rods like the Senko and Jig & Worm series rods are not spectra safe. Spectra actually has "cut" grooves into the recoil guides on those G-Loomis models as well as other G-Loomis models that feature the reoil guides.

Interesting, learn something new everyday. I'm not a freshwater bass guy, so I don't know much about these guides. OTOH, since I'm more into saltwater fishing, I'd like to know which guides one might use on a salt stick can be grooved by Spectra so I can avoid them.

[ghetto dad]

fuj,

reguarding what type of guides are not safe to use with spectra, the recoil guides featured on many G-Loomis bass rods like the Senko and Jig & Worm series rods are not spectra safe. Spectra actually has "cut" grooves into the recoil guides on those G-Loomis models as well as other G-Loomis models that feature the reoil guides.

Interesting, learn something new everyday. I'm not a freshwater bass guy, so I don't know much about these guides. OTOH, since I'm more into saltwater fishing, I'd like to know which guides one might use on a salt stick can be grooved by Spectra so I can avoid them.

the lighter fujis.....they say the stainless can groove too....fuj, it all depends on HOW OFTEN you go on trips where you get the big, drag burning fish man...its not gonna happen in one trip.....

[one_leg]

I've seen guides that are grooved.

[SanDimasLMB]

The only saltwater guides that could be affected by spectra could be these ones, the standard boat guides.

http://www.mudhole.com/Shop-Our-Catalog ... oat-Guides (http://www.mudhole.com/Shop-Our-Catalog/Carmet/CSBG-Unbraced-Boat-Guides)

[fuj]

I've seen guides that are grooved.

What kind were they and how old were they?

[one_leg]

I've seen guides that are grooved.

What kind were they and how old were they?


I don't remember, it was a long time ago.

[fuj]

the lighter fujis.....they say the stainless can groove too....fuj, it all depends on HOW OFTEN you go on trips where you get the big, drag burning fish man...its not gonna happen in one trip.....

Why couldn't it happen in one trip? You might be throwing iron at Wahoo with your 40# rig one day and and a big ol' Yellowfin Tuna inhales your jig instead. If you cheaped out or made a bad decision on the guides for the rod, you may experience a guide grooving problem during the fight.

IMHO however, if most of your fishing is 1/2 and 3/4 day trips with an occasional overnighter thrown in, you probably won't have to worry much about guide grooving - ever. If you do worry, though, at least you have choices. Use guides that stand up best to Spectra..or don't fish with Spectra.

[ghetto dad]

the lighter fujis.....they say the stainless can groove too....fuj, it all depends on HOW OFTEN you go on trips where you get the big, drag burning fish man...its not gonna happen in one trip.....

Why couldn't it happen in one trip? You might be throwing iron at Wahoo with your 40# rig one day and and a big ol' Yellowfin Tuna inhales your jig instead. If you cheaped out or made a bad decision on the guides for the rod, you may experience a guide grooving problem during the fight.

IMHO however, if most of your fishing is 1/2 and 3/4 day trips with an occasional overnighter thrown in, you probably won't have to worry much about guide grooving - ever. If you do worry, though, at least you have choices. Use guides that stand up best to Spectra..or don't fish with Spectra.
thats basically what i said fuj....thanks...lol

[fuj]

fuj,

reguarding what type of guides are not safe to use with spectra, the recoil guides featured on many G-Loomis bass rods like the Senko and Jig & Worm series rods are not spectra safe. Spectra actually has "cut" grooves into the recoil guides on those G-Loomis models as well as other G-Loomis models that feature the reoil guides.

FYI, an email reply I got from REC Components:

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Thank you for your interest in our fine RECOIL guides. Spectra can absolutely used with RECOIL guides it is actually my preferred line when I am down at the shore here in New England casting swim baits and plugs along the rocks.

If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

Have a great day.

Best regards,
Paul Howarth
Product Manager
Toll Free:877-339-7894
Phone:860-749-3476 x202
Fax:860-749-3478
REC Components
17 Middle River Drive
Stafford Springs, CT 06076
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[SanDimasLMB]

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reguarding what type of guides are not safe to use with spectra, the recoil guides featured on many G-Loomis bass rods like the Senko and Jig & Worm series rods are not spectra safe. Spectra actually has "cut" grooves into the recoil guides on those G-Loomis models as well as other G-Loomis models that feature the reoil guides.

FYI, an email reply I got from REC Components:

************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** *******************
Thank you for your interest in our fine RECOIL guides. Spectra can absolutely used with RECOIL guides it is actually my preferred line when I am down at the shore here in New England casting swim baits and plugs along the rocks.

If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

Have a great day.

Best regards,
Paul Howarth
Product Manager
Toll Free:877-339-7894
Phone:860-749-3476 x202
Fax:860-749-3478
REC Components
17 Middle River Drive
Stafford Springs, CT 06076
************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** *******************


You just got lied to


Pictures from a friend who used braided line with his recoil guides.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/sandimaslmb/recoil2.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/sandimaslmb/recoil3.jpg