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05-04-2007, 08:02 AM
Lots of Rockfish Off Palo Verde

Hi there guys,

Went on another ¾-day-trip to fish local waters (Palo Verde and Rocky Point areas) with a little over 2 dozen anglers for Rockfish and Bass….. earlier this week with. Yet again …..as the season advances, more and more boats I haven’t ridden in a while are …… getting out on the weekdays on a regular basis. More Pbers out too! Yeah Baby!!

Note: Countdown 1: Should beonly a couple of weeks or so, nowmid-May according to past years, till the Summer season starts….. if it hasn’t for your landing already. Don’t Forget!! That’s when the ¾-day boats usually start leaving at 6am and the ½-day boats leave at between 6am and 7am!! You will find that the all-day and or island free-lance moo-moos will commonly leave a little earlier …. typically 5am. Twilight’s will probably start a little later although …. some are offering trips now.

Countdown 2: The new bait barge/receiver should be operable in just about37days as tentatively that’s the estimate made onApril 6th, by someone with the San Pedro Bait Company. Details (probably late!) in my report to follow when known.

Target Fish: Bass and Rockfish

Short Report- Wednesday 05/02

15 to 20 guys caught a couple of Sand Bass, some Scuplin, a handful of Whitefish and Perch as well as limits of Bocaccio (Salmon Grouper) and a good number of the much-prized Vermillion Rockfish (Reds). We got a whole bunch of Treefish in the PV shallows as well as a Johnny Bass and one fishy that had a marbled pattern (not baby BSB). I wasn’t sure of the ID. So what else is new! ha ha Picture in the gallery. I did a lot of photo editing on the single fishys …… check it out[/color])

(Please widen your view to fit monitor if word-wrap looks off)

05/02 Jackpot

Last Call ………………....Winner!

Bocaccio Wins It

Way to go Rich! A Bocaccio was the winner today. The 7-lb fish was caught in a little more than 200 feet of water (according to my FISH n MAP® topo), using ….. 5~6 inch Sardines on a dropper rig fished at anchor. There were no legit contenders for the jackpot as the Lingcod caught (5~6) were all just a tad short.

Dang ….. not sure of the name of the deck working this boat ………….. sorry ‘bout that! The last 6 trips I’ve made …… I’ve met a different deckhand every time …….. some I’ve met on a number of different boats!!

Long Report

Heading out through LA Light

Sea Life or What!

Vibrant Sea Life

It was amazing to see all the stuff that was going on around the harbor entrance. Seagull, Pelicans, Terns, Cormorants, Sealions, Seals ?? and that’s not counting what was thrashing around the surface of the kelp and water. Looked like Sardines were being pushed then Mackerel being pushed up against the wall by something bigger. Great show for those that saw and realized what was going on both on the inside and outside of the Wall.

The Days Fishing

Fished Rocky Point……………………………............ ...... Easy Fishing!

Skinny Water!

Finding Fish

Today, we headed out the door and scooted past Point Fermin then heading up towards Rocky Point. Hopefully there would be enough action all along the coastal shallows to keep us busy with the usual Bass, Sheephead, and other shallow-water, rock-loving species.

Depending on what you consider shallow, the maps above shows 1) three depths (0~60, 90, and 120 feet) and approximate areas where they exist in the LB/SP bay area and 2) 120~220 feet depth areas further up thecoast. Naturally the 120-foot depths constitute a nice band of water from Point Fermin, around the corner, continuing past Redondo, Hermosa, and Manhatten Beach to Malibu. As is obvious to Pbers that constantly watch their FFers, there’s a lot of water out there less than 120 feet deep.

On the moo-moos ……….. one has to depend on who is in the wheelhouse and or who had access to view the sonar before it was time to drop the anchor. A skipper on his or her game, will announce to their anglers about what depth they’re going to fish. Usually the deck also knows and is happy to share the info ….. if asked. (for the novice: see asides)

Grazing in the Pasture

PBer’s ………………........................... In A Hurry


Nearby Boiler

3 Rounds

Round 1 Dropped the anchor sometime before 9am. Most anglers fished the usual dropper-loop setups and frozen Squid with about 3ozs of weight for the shallow 60~80 feet of water. We started fishing an area that had lots of structure for a wide range of species alas …… mostly smaller models. Caught all kinds of Treefish! Water was clean. Hit a number of spots but the bite was scratchy at best. Moved a couple of times to reset and or fish another section of a stretch. The bites we got were mostly on Squid although some tried to the dines As this was a ¾ -day boat, we figured we would have some time to see what the water temp and bite was going to become. Although we plowed thru some larger swells getting to our first spot, things calmed down for a lull of relative calm. Quite a few hang-ups as is to be expected in rocky areas like the Palo Verde coastline.

Rocky Point

Round 2 With few fish in the sacks for the efforts made, we pulled the anchor and headed up a little bit to stop once more before actually getting up and off Rocky Point in a little deeper water (200~220 feet). Hoping to find a few spots holding some nice Reds and Salmon Grouper, the first thing we did was try a few drifts. A few nice fish were picked up and I had hoped that we would do that a few more times than we actually did as I caught a couple of fish simply using 3oz leadheads. Many times, if one simply uses a leadhead/swimbait tied directly to the line, deeper depths can be more effectively fished than when anchored if current conditions allow. Again, most used the dropper loop rig whether fishing Squid strips or live Sardines. Water still remained clean with a couple of rod lengths of visibility. Caught mostly Reds and assorted other Rockfish including Lingcod before we decided to head yet further out and go for Salmon Grouper Left this area about 12:20.

Had To Be A High-spot!!

Round 3 Moved further out to locate and anchor on the first of the two or three stops we mde in the general area. The conditions weren’t bad (for both anglers, fishing, and catching) with the expected wind starting to blow more strongly, against the current and swell, and chop increasing. Yada, yada! Still had some clean water! It didn’t seem like we were actually anchored in water much deeper than 200~240 feet. With mostly Salmon Grouper being caught, it didn’t take more than an hour and a half or so to catch boat limits!! As we well know, when the boat has near-limits of Bocaccio, we the patrons must either switch gears and fish for another species or the boat must move to ‘get away from’ Salmon Grouper. I was using plastics and fishing for Reds which was cool (Salmon Grouper don’t bite plastic well much preferring the sardines in my moo-moo experience) and had no problem. As Bocaccio continued to brought up, the skipper decided to move …… like ……. move all the way back to the breakwater with a longgggg stopover for fuel and longgggg return to the landing. Seems like everybody was well satisfied with the fishing and the fish caught. Good trip.

Conditions: Check out the graphics for the water conditions.

Skies were clear and sunny. Air temp stayed in the 50º~60ºs during the fishing day. Constant wind made things feel cool. Jackets felt good most of the day.


Beauty of the Trip



Barberpole …………………….......................... ...........................................Rubberl ip



Nice One ………………………........... Another ………………………….......Groupie ...................Groupo

Groupener ..........................G. Grouper .............Last Call/Deck ............. Sandie


Starfish .............................................Britt le Starfish

Let Them Know

The photos above are just a sample of the fish and things of interest, at least to me, on this trip.Note: If you see a friend in the pictures, let them know they can copy the photo off the report.Directions: Click the right button with the ‘cursor’ on the picture, then click on ‘save picture as’, next choose where they wish to copy the picture, and lastly click ‘save’. Later, they can edit and print the picture at their leisure with a simple photo-editing program.

Tweeking Plastics #28

Tweek in Progress


Fishing approaches #2 ………………………....................... . This Worked

Another ………………………………………….. .........Nice One

No Skunk Yet Again

Had fairly decent luck today. Caught enough fish to make me feel like I have learned a little something fishing plastics. All that’s needed now is to replicate the success another day in the same conditions.

Fished NONE of the three methods above! Fished all the plastics via main line and a 5-foot length of fluorocarbon. Well ….. actually I used a setup with the leadhead/swimbait plus a Carolina rigged with a 1 1/2oz sliding egg sinker for about 20 minutes. Even though I had 4 different sizes, 9 different colors and 7 types of baits, I pretty much stuck with the oversize swimbaits for the deeper water and 1/4oz leadhead/3-inch swimbaits, fake-Octopus, and weird grub-like plastics for the shallower water.

I fished all baits without scent or a Squid strip. As per last week, I fished three cycles then switched baits and tried 3 more cycles …. over and over. Varied reactions from fish. Again the fishys were often small and mostly just grabbed the tail and hang on until I pulled the bait out of their little mouths! No real hits …. just ………. the rod loaded up and the cranking started.

Plastics colors: O Chartreuse, O Red, O Purple, O Orange, O Silver, O Yellow, O Pearl. Leadhead colors: O Chartreuse, O Red, O Purple, O Orange, O Silver, O Leadhead weights ranged from 2 to 3oz for deeper water and 1/4oz for shallower water.

Wednesday Out There

Lunar ………………………………………… ..... Wind Direction and Speed!

Tides ………………………………………… …................................ Water Temps!



Fishing Grounds: Sunny, warm, calm water …. clarity maybe 10 feet!!

Wild Creatures: Saw some Sealions. Cormorants, Pelicans and Seagulls pretty much visited us all day …… awaiting the floaters and dines ….. no doubt. There was a California Grey Whale traveling up the coast with us for a while.


Aside: For the Novice: Many times a skipper will indicate about what depth of water will be initially fished in the mornings’ P.A. announcement. Pay attention to the depth as it will dictate, to a certain degree, the outfit, setup, and weight with which you’ll want to begin your days’ fishing. A good rule of thumb is …… lighter setups are viable in the morning and heavier terminal tackle will become necessary as the day wears on with an oft wind, current, and wave or swell increase.

If new to the moo-moos, the best advice is to listen to the skipper and deckhand. It’s in their interests to have everyone on the same page and fishing with a minimum of tangles. Less tangles means more boated fish! Make an effort to look at the gear others around you are using and match that ….. IF ….. it falls within the crews suggestions. Later on, you’ll learn how to compensate for others mismatched fishing gear or methodology.

Don’t be surprised if a few veteran-looking guys are fishing somewhat differently from others. If it appears they are able to avoid causing problems to other anglers, they might be worth keeping an eye on if what they are doing is successful.

Another Aside: Crew fishing- I’m not sure what is considered old-school on this subject as moo-moo operations are based, on a day to day basis anyway, on the skippers say so from my experience. I did notice that some boats, both in the past and presently, include the blurb ‘No Crew Fishing’ in their advertisement.

On local moo-moos, fishing for Bass and Rockfish, don’t be surprised if the skipper and the crew are both fishing …….. especially if things are slow. You find this most often when the boat is anchored. You will also find this on boats that have more than one deckhand. One fishing another working. Sometimes ….. as skippers buddies or deadheads are helping with this and that on the boat, they might be confused with crew ……… which is not the case …….. so don’t be too quick to judge if you find this practice objectionable.

A. Crew-fishing has it’s positive points:

1) Most importantly …… as the skippers and decks have the most, current, day to day experience, they can often dial-in on what works and advise anglers on the ‘sure-fire method’ of catching the fish and or even the desired species. (Listen to them!)

2) The observant angler can learn lots of pointers on tackle, setups, and such from the guys that are out there every day. Just watching them will teach you a lot but don’t be afraid to ask the ‘how and why’. (Most will be happy to answer your questions.)

3) Crew-caught fish adds to the fish-count. What I mean by fish-count is the legal-sized fish that were boated. That is …….. you’re given an idea as to what numbers and species of fish is potentially possible on a trip. (I consider that ‘it ups the boat’s fish-count’ is of less importance.)

4) Crew-caught fish can add to the anglers fishing experience by providing a prized fish to an unlucky angler who otherwise would have gone home fish-less …… and nothing to lie about! ha ha (Most people want to take fish home so …….)

5) When the crew fishes, human-nature ……. or should I say anglers-nature dictates that if the bite is hot, it might take a little further to get to a spot, a certain species of fish is preferred, or more time taken to wait for the bite to develop, they are more likely to spend the extra effort, time, or fuel. (Don’t get me wrong …… they’re looking out for the passengers too!)

B. Certain ‘issues’ some may find relevant:

1) Some feel that the skipper should be ‘visible’ overseeing and monitoring the boat and the deckhand should be ‘available’ with empty hands to assist with gaff or net, untangle lines, preparing bait or just ‘hangin’ with the anglers’. (myself …. I love BSing with most skippers and decks)

2) Most anglers justifiably resent when some of the ‘crew’ sorta slip into and or occupies a spot (sometimes open and sometimes only temporarily open) at the rail that mysteriously (not) seems to produce the most consistent bite at anchor. (irrelative of the skill-level of the individual or anglers) (Something about privileged information ……. was mentioned.)

3) With the well-known saying that 95% of the fish are caught by 5% of anglers it also goes that 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the bigger and or jackpot fish. (Not an issue with me as I give away my fish and don’t get in the jackpot)

4) Not a few anglers dislike having to alter their fishing method or area of water covered because some crew-member wants to fish the same area in a way that limits the patrons … you know … the guys that pay to get on the boat! ha ha (It’s enough to have to deal with fellow-anglers that are letting their lines drift from the bow back under the stern !) ha ha

5) Although not always obvious, whether it be SWRFing or surface-fishing, when the crew fishes …… they are effectively competing with patrons for ‘the catching of the fish’. For rockfishing …. that with would be for the limited number of keeper-fish around a given structure. For surface-fishing …. that would be for the fish breezing by the boat or the preferred species.

No matter which side of the fence-post one is on ….. the fact is that ‘crew-fishing’ is here to stay and indeed there are enough positives to belay the ‘issues’ …… most of the time. (Just like everything in life ……. moderation ……. moderation is the ideal to which almost everyone is most comfortable)

Yet Another Aside: Is There A Uni-Butter Shortage? I called 9 tackle shops in my general area and not a single place had the stuff. 1/3 of the people ‘that answered the phone’ didn’t even know what it was! Is it me or just the product is not well known north of the San Diego county line!? Live around the junction of the 605 and 91 freeways. Anybody selling it within a 10 mile radius of me?

Last Aside: Might want to check out the overnighters for the WSB if you’re game to fish on a larger over-nighter moo-moo or smaller boats on the other end of the scale. Yellow count growing by the day too! A number of landings have some of the bigger boats set for open-party trips to either Catalina or San Clemente from Redondo to Newport. Fare should be between $100 and $150. Might check if there are any 2 for 1’s or lug-a-buddy deals although I think it’s not the time for those. Not ignoring the Channel Islands mind you. If ya want stealth ….. you’ll need to find a 6 or 8-pack boat running charters with openings or snag one of their open-party trips. Full moon and all that ya know!!


Trips End

LA Light ………………………………………Dolph ins!

End of the Day

Had a fun day on the water playing with my plastics. Caught a decent number of fish for not using ANY scents or bait ….. dead, alive, or whatever. Every angler that wanted them got off the boat with a nice bag of filets. The boat docked around 5:45 after spending an hour and a half involved in getting fuel and I was home before the sun went down.


ghetto dad
05-04-2007, 08:21 AM

05-04-2007, 09:06 AM

05-04-2007, 09:07 AM
Another Great report thanks Ron...

05-04-2007, 09:32 AM
Great report...and I like the photo shop work with the fish...it looks like they have been removed from the natural deck environment and placed on petri dishes for my clear distinction...lol.


05-04-2007, 09:52 AM
Ron, thanks for all the details esp. the novice note and the crew fishing note. I went out yesterday on the Redondo Special (which I'll report soon) and thought of how you do the rounds checking out tackle so I decided to check some out myself. :) BTW, I'm starting to understand why it's important to fish with the proper tackle when bottom fishing. One of the guys at my local tackle shop (Johnny's in Pasadena) took the time to explain why conventional is a good choice and why I should stick with mono. I had my spinning setup with me and he explained how just the 8-10oz. weight alone in 200ft of water could ruin a good spinning reel. Also, he explained the lighter weight property of braid and how it takes an experienced angler to finesse the line in order to avoid tangles. I'm sure it's a no-brainer to those experienced on the board, but more often than not I usually get stares and guffaws rather than someone trying to explain things to me (although, I have seen novices who just won't listen to someone more experienced). So again, thanks for taking the time to put so much detail into your reports.

Oh, and what's up with the photoshopped fish? Were you just trying to remove background noise or was there something you wanted to hide?

05-04-2007, 09:59 AM
Once again Ron you amaze me with your Writing Skills.....

Good to be able to log back on and see your Reports....... :D

05-04-2007, 10:22 AM
Nice report as always Ron

Gonna have to catch a trip with ya one day, seeming I'm out here in Lakewood as well :D

05-04-2007, 12:05 PM
Hi v6v6v6,

No, I'm not trying to hide anything ....... usually. Sometimes the decks are nasty, bloody, or just crappy looking and I hate to see a beautiful fish shown in such shabby surroundings. Also ........ I'm building a collection of representative fish pictures of common species to use as icons in my reports. When I get a better picture of a certain species I upgrade my collection.

I've got tons of schoolin' in PhotoShop, Illustrator, CorelDraw ..... the whole bit but the quick, down and dirty software I use to do all the editing is the lowly Microsoft Picture It ver. 7! which costs like 15~20 bucks!! Best darn photo-editor I've found for the internet!!

Any questions or comments .... fire away ..... most welcome.


05-04-2007, 12:12 PM
Also, he explained the lighter weight property of braid and how it takes an experienced angler to finesse the line in order to avoid tangles.

I'm using braided line for the first time htis weekend. Can you elaborate?
I hate losing rigs and fish to the kelp,especially when the weather doeasn't allow me to go out on the water but stay in the bay.

05-04-2007, 12:32 PM
Also, he explained the lighter weight property of braid and how it takes an experienced angler to finesse the line in order to avoid tangles.

I'm using braided line for the first time htis weekend. Can you elaborate?
I hate losing rigs and fish to the kelp,especially when the weather doeasn't allow me to go out on the water but stay in the bay.

He didn't go into too much detail other than the line floats a little more than mono would. That could be a problem during drifts for unexperienced guys. But maybe more so if you're flylining rather than fishing the bottom? I'm sure others can answer better... I was just happy to get the concept. :)

05-04-2007, 01:48 PM
Hey JR,

Another fine day of successful plastic fishing for you I see.

Why no live sardines? Nacho's sold out?

Seems to me like you are getting shorted on fishing time if part of the fishing time includes fueling. I have never experienced that myself. Did I get that right that the first drop of the anchor was a little before 9am? Are those captains motoring that slow?

My apologies for all the Q's.

Thank you for the report.

05-04-2007, 03:23 PM
Hi Ruger,

Compared to the long-range guys, I know nothing about braid but I have used the lighter 30lb-test (6~8lb mono diameter) stuff since it came out on the local moo-moo scene. I use 30lb-test Spiderwire or Professional Pro.

Disclaimer: My comments are directed towards the average Joe, fishing moo-moos for the local, near-shore species ... so there !!

Not all braids were created the same or of equal fishability. Just as with any new line ... there are characteristics one must learn in order to fish it to the max. I'm careful to do the following before fishing it in earnest on a trip.

Tackle Choice:
1) Even though the bass-pros do it, I don't recommend using it on spinning tackle.

2) I suggest using a 'level-wind' conventional reel matched to a composite rod with lots of backbone and the top 1/3 softer. The level wind is excellent in keeping the line wrapping straight on the spool and a rod with a softer top section to take the jolting that you'll get with a line that doesn't stretch.

1) Some guys use heavier test braid but I prefer the 30 as it doesn't have the degree of buoyancy inherent in larger diameter lines ..... be they braid or mono !! By the way ..... braid that has been used a while loses some of its floatation characteristics.

2) Besides being able to put more line on a spool (even as a topshot), the thinner line diameter slices through kelp more readily. It also has less resistance to forces such as currents and swell/wave action thus not being carried as would mono or a thicker braid.

Before Casting:

I do a couple of things before I fish with a braid outfit.

1) I make sure the line position off the reel is in line with the level wind thingy before running it up through the guides.

2) Before putting on a leader, I will run 30~40 yards of line off the outfit behind the boat to ... a) wet the line, b) remove any twist that might have occurred, and 3) make sure that line is uniformlylaid back on the spool with moderate and consistent tension. Question: Ever had a problem with line on a reel in the middle of a fight and later forget that there was this loop .... etc? :lol:

3) Set the tension knob of the spool so that it is tighter than you would normally set it!

4) Lastly ... check out the guys around you and how you're supposed to fish and adjust the stuff at the end of the line that will keep you out of trouble. If there's too much stuff that'll cause problems .... give up on the braid or move, if allowed and or desired, to another place on the boat.

5) Consider the species your fishing and ....... set-ups of both yourself and your rail-mates are using for them.

Oh Ya ....... 5) Almost forgot! Don't just try to wing-out a huge cast on your first toss. Truth is ..... I'll often do a short, straight drop initially as the boat is often still moving. I never cast for distance until the line has got used to how it comes off the reel and through the guides! That's right ..... guides create resistance too!

Delaying the Inevitable:

1) Since you've chosen a spot on the boat with the least potential for tangling, nothing need be said.

2) Understand that there are some species of fish that you have no business specifically fishing for with braid on a crowded moo-moo. Wide-open larger Bonito or Barracuda on a surface bite come to mind.

3) As one of braids main attributes is sensitivity, it stands to reason that it's most effective in mid-column and deeper water applications.

It's least manageable application seems to be surface fly-lining simply because that's, in good measure, a visual game and ......... because others fishing live-bait on the top will continually cross lines ...... especially yours. Remember the thing about the braid high-buoyancy.

4) Fishing live bait is what the big-boys on long-range do but they use topshots of mono for the rod-tip to fishy business till hookuup. In my opinion, a really lively, fly-lined bait would convey a lot of distracting action up the line and possibly cause false strikes and or worse miss a light biter for use using braid and a short leader.

Sneaky stuff:

1) If you are lucky enough to have everyone around you fish a single certain way ...... although I suggest going with the flow most of the time ... sometimes one is able to avoid the usual tangles by fishing almost the opposite way.

Example: Everyone has tons of weight and are going straight down. That's when I will cast and fish out and a little away from the boat ... and there are few with which to tangle. With proper technique, I will cover more water and my leadhead will end up just about at the same point as others. (the ol' less resistance to current trick)

2) Timing can be everything. Once you learn the characteristics of your line and bait, you can use the maneuverability of your current-cutting setup to fish 'under' others suspended lines.

3) Better control of your line will also allow you to cast 'thread the needle' between two parallel lines and harmlessly drop further below them for the rest of the drop.

1) On the rare occasion I use braid to fish bait (besides a leadhead/Squid), I use a Carolina rig w/whole Squid pinned on a circle hook.

Why: The proper way to hook a fish with a circle hook is to wind on a fish and once solidly hooked ....... strike a couple of times for good measure.

If you are not used to using braid .... as thee is no stretch or forgiveness in the line, it is possible to 1) jerk the bait out of fishys mouth, 2) break off your hook at the knot or leader (unless you've got a shock-leader), or 3) destroy your rod ! Yep .... seen it happen. Fishy ...... Humungus Strike ..... No Give ..... Rod bends ....... till Rod explodes!!

Just a few thoughts on my experience with braid on the moo-moos. Hope this gives you a little edge.


05-04-2007, 03:43 PM
Hi Eric U,

Actually ....... we had Sardines (as mentioned) and that was the key to getting the Bocaccio.

There was quite a bit of swell and weather as we were chugging up the coast and didn't stop until about the lighthouse. The boat I was on is for sure not the fastest boat in the fleet !! Then again, maybe the skipper was coserving fuel for the trip back! :shock: :wink:

I think the whale that past us ........ beat us to Rocky Point ....... doing the back stroke!! :lol: :wink:

I hate being dragged to the fuel docks! I don't see anything but Tomcod there!!


05-04-2007, 04:35 PM
you are awesome! so informative for a noob like me. lol. i fished out of 22nd street many times and a few times from pier point. but i still dont consider myself a veteran though i have gone out a lot. i always seem to forget how to rig everything argh...probably beacuse i go every 3-6-10 months haha. i really like hte info you post about using plastics, i just bought a lot of swimbaits in a variaty of colors and jig heads as well. i hope to use them this summer for some sandbass/calicos and cudas. so this info is really helping me out. thanks for the info! i'll be looking forward to see your other posts. :D

05-04-2007, 06:24 PM
JapanRon, Thanks for the insight. I'm going on my first trip ever on the Spitfire out of Redondo. Your article gave me an idea on what to expect. I will most definitely respect the other anglers, and ask for help from the deckhands. Do you have any last minute advice for a swab?

05-04-2007, 07:49 PM
Hi GunnerBlack,

I have heard nothing but good reports on the Spitfire recently. I have a couple of friends that love that boat.

Here's another bit of news. Redondo is having their one month special where you pay $100 for a month pass and you can then go as many times as you want in a month for $10 each trip. I was tempted but I don't like the distance I'd have to travel!!

You might want to check some of the past threads for reports on the Spitfire.

Please take pictures to put in your report!!


05-04-2007, 08:59 PM
Awsome..........Thank you again :!: :D

05-04-2007, 09:39 PM
as always J-ron, incredible report as well as informative.

thanks for your time and effort.


05-08-2007, 12:52 AM
your report are always a joy to read so much detail !!!!!!!

i hope i can get my reports a 1/4 as well as yours